Ramblings, just ramblings
Published on September 29, 2005 By Amitty In Current Events
As many of you have probably read by now, a admitted pirate in the vacinity of Houston, Texas, has been fined $1.1 million dollars from having over 5,100 counterfiet copies of Symantec's Norton products. Li Chen, owner of Microsource International, was also found to have sold over 9.9 million dollars in pirated software. The total restitution came to 1,005,000 million US, with Microsoft recieving $95,000 due to licensing agreements.

This is certainly a reason to rally for software makers who have had it up to the top of their heads with what they call 'huge profit loses' to piracy. Catching someone like Li Chen is indeed a mighty blow. Earlier last year, a Vancouver, Canada company was revoked the right to sell any Symantec products after found out that they had been illegally supplying copies of Norton Antivirus, Norton Security Suite, and Norton Internet Security to businesses in the greater British Columbia and Alberta regions. Also, fined up to $400,000 for illegally selling pirated copies of all manner of Microsoft operating systems, including the defunct Windows 98.

Microsoft counters back that this sort of thing is happening all over the country, and why software piracy has to stop. "This guy was one of the largest distributors of pirated software. He had direct ties to China, where the counterfeit product was being produced," said Cris Paden, a Symantec spokesman.

Microsoft worked with Symantec to support the Houston police and FBI in this case, said Bonnie MacNaughton, a senior attorney at the Redmond, Wash., software giant. "Microsoft is very pleased with the outcome and law enforcement's support for intellectual property protection," she said in a statement provided by Microsoft's public relations agency.


Microsoft itself has activately pursued people that have gained profit from their operating system and products without paying their due to the software giant. In early September, Microsoft brought lawsuits to 8 resellars for selling illegal products.

"The lawsuits were filed in Arizona, California, Illinois, Minnesota and New York against companies that allegedly sold counterfeit copies of software such as Office 2000 Professional and Windows XP, Microsoft said in a statement Monday.

Some of the resellers also allegedly dealt in fake and used Certificate of Authenticity labels, which are used to identify Microsoft products as genuine, the company said. A Certificate of Authenticity includes a product key code and is designed to prevent counterfeiting."

This ties in with the new feature that Microsoft introduced earlier in July to sniff out illegal copies of their OS, using their Windows Update site to pass on the Windows Geniune Validation Tool, which checks the current product key to make sure that it was legally sold at some point, bypassing some of the previous methods of cracking the Product Activation that allowed people to bypass previous measures to stop piracy of Windows XP and Windows 2003 Server. The Business Software Alliance, which was formed a few years ago, say that 35% of all software installed on computers is pirated and accoujnts for $33 Billion dollars a year in losses.

Microsoft also provides a phone number for it's Windows Genuine Advantage Program and encourages people to call if they suspect piracy. There is restituion for people that havef been duped into buying illegal software, Microsoft makes a base by base case and is giving out free license copies of their operating systems to people that have lost out this way.

Again ,the war goes on. I am not adverse to fighting piracy when it comes to people like Li Chen that are intentionally burning the system to make profit. I think that more regulation as far as the software sold to retailers should be brought down, and the idea of Product Activation is not a bad idea, trying to weed out these kind of things from happening.

Comments
on Sep 30, 2005
What's really sad is that you can find freeware that probably works better than anything Norton makes versus the risk of breaking the law.

As regards piracy, I will say this: All software companies should eliminate cd's. Make all software a download that requires a unique keycode for activation. However, make that keycode easily retrievable either online or by email. I have had inumerable cases where I have formatted a computer only to find that I have software for which I have the key and no cd or the cd and no key. Imagine dvd's coming with a key and if you lose that key, your only recourse is to go out and buy a new dvd.

Companies could go a long way in reducing piracy by simply becoming more user friendly and eliminating a good bit of the temptation to resort to warez or other pirated softwares.

This has been a major reason why I only buy shareware or other software that is an easy online transaction with a permanent record that will allow me to re-download the software or retrieve my key at any time.
on Sep 30, 2005

Make all software a download that requires a unique keycode for activation. However, make that keycode easily retrievable either online or by email.

just like Stardock does.

 

I hate having to hang on to a cd case just because some chucklehead put the cd key on it.

on Oct 03, 2005
As regards piracy, I will say this: All software companies should eliminate cd's. Make all software a download that requires a unique keycode for activation.


Sorry but this is just downright silly! MS Office 200 Pro by itself comes on "2" CD's. That is 768 Megs times 2, that's 1.536 GIG! Are you going to download that much info? I think not. And another point. How do you plan on downloading an operating system? You need an op system to be running before you can download anything. Come on eric......your reply was poorly thought out.

What's really sad is that you can find freeware that probably works better than anything Norton makes versus the risk of breaking the law.


And after having been in the computer field for the better part of 20 years. I can tell you in all honesty that there is NO freeware out there that will keep up with Norton (Symantec).
on Oct 03, 2005
I hate having to hang on to a cd case just because some chucklehead put the cd key on it.


Try doing a little creative thinking. Remember floppy drive labels? Buy your self a CD carrying case (like the ones used for music CD's) and put your program CD's in it. Write your CD Key on a floppy label and stick it to the vinyl sleeve the CD sits in. Then throw away the hardcase.
on Oct 04, 2005
Sorry but this is just downright silly! MS Office 200 Pro by itself comes on "2" CD's. That is 768 Megs times 2, that's 1.536 GIG! Are you going to download that much info? I think not


You have brought up some good examples of extreme cases in which a cd is warranted, but except for the operating system, still unecessary. As the internet develops (San Fran may soon have free high speed wireless courtesy of Google), even a 1.536 gig download is a mere 4-5 hour download. Start the download when you go to bed, a new 1.536 gig file on your hard drive in the morning. Heck, Comcast internet here in Atlanta is now at 8 meg speeds.(yes, I know not available everywhere).

We need not be so stringent here drmiler. Many sharewares or paywares encourage downloading their programs versus purchasing the cd. In the day and age of cd writers as standard equipment and writable cd's available for as little as $.10, it's silly to pay an additional $5.00-$20.00 for a cd backup. Webroot software, makers of spysweeper and windows washer offer their products as a download with the option of a back up cd for a fee. Heck, your beloved symantec products are available as downloads. For that matter, the motherload of software (Adobe Creative Suite) is avaliable here as a 2.21 gig download: Link

Are you going to download that much info? I think not.


Apparently Adobe doesn't see it as such a daunting task.

And another point. How do you plan on downloading an operating system?


That's a bit extreme to make a point. That is the obvious exception.

And after having been in the computer field for the better part of 20 years. I can tell you in all honesty that there is NO freeware out there that will keep up with Norton (Symantec).


AVG Antivirus from Grisoft (Freeware)
ZoneAlarm from Zone Labs, Inc. (Freeware)
AntiSpyware from Microsoft (Freeware)

These programs will do just fine for the average home user. Besides, most computer manufacturers and internet providers include programs which will protect most people quite well.


On a completely different note drmiler. Do you agree that perhaps it is better for Pittsburgh to have suffered their annual defeat at the hands of New England during the regualr season so that we will perhaps have a chance to earn our win in the offseason this year? I sure the hell hope so!!!
on Oct 05, 2005
AVG Antivirus from Grisoft (Freeware)
ZoneAlarm from Zone Labs, Inc. (Freeware)
AntiSpyware from Microsoft (Freeware)


Have both the first and last on your list and they "both" suck, BIG time! The only good one is Zonealarm (use this one constantly) and the only really good thing about it is it's easy to set-up. It is nowhere near as good as Symantec's product but Symantec is an absolute biatch to set up. I also did not qualify what would be "good" for an average user. What I did say was that they (freeware) could not keep up (perform as well as) with Symantec.

And another point. How do you plan on downloading an operating system?


That's a bit extreme to make a point.


And no I would not consider this an extreme. Not considering how many copies of most operating systems get sold every day.
on Oct 05, 2005
even tho i guess i'm gonna have to swap out my current modem in order to take advantage of comcast's increased speed (up from 4megs to 6 i guess), i'd have no problem downloading 2 cds totalling 1500megs as long as the distributor was using a equally fast server. dialup may be 3 years in the past but the memory hasn't yet faded...i still getta kick outta watchin a fast download count itself out.

20 years ago symantec/norton and macafee made valuable tools...almost indispensible tools. today norton anything is a bloated resource hog that causes more problems than it solves. i haven't used a macafee application since 2000...and i doubt i ever will again.

most of those o/s sold daily are already installed at dell or hp or wherever. speaking of the computer mills, they've broght their costs down to the point where you really gotta shop to realize any significant savings. anyone who can do that aint gonna have a problem gettin his or her hands on that downloadable o/s.
on Oct 05, 2005
most of those o/s sold daily are already installed at dell or hp or wherever. speaking of the computer mills, they've broght their costs down to the point where you really gotta shop to realize any significant savings. anyone who can do that aint gonna have a problem gettin his or her hands on that downloadable o/s


No they aren't. Although the likes of Dell and Gateway sell quite a few. There is an equal if not greater number of users who buy the OS to upgrade. Or people like me who "still" (and will always) build their own. And if you doubt that, you can find the info at microsoft.
on Oct 07, 2005
Actually, the invention of these companies really have brought the price of your average PC down to a all time low. When the P II came out, the average computer was about $2500. Now, you can pick up a fully loaded computer with a 80 g HDD and usually a DVD Burner for about $500. Where is there proof that these companies AREN'T bringing down the price. They are not the only reason, but they are a contribution factor. Dell is the # 1 seller of computers in the North American market, and that is nothing to sneeze at.

As far as downloading O/S, well, guess what? Microsoft solved that problem for the upcoming operating system but scrapped it. The idea to fight piracy was to supply a CD that would hold a installer key and allow you to download the operating system from their servers...after all, two years later it worked for HL 2 when Valve made you download the game after purchase. It isn't hard ot expect that this is the way that it will eventually go. There is too many ways to pirate a hard copy of software.
on Oct 09, 2005
Actually, the invention of these companies really have brought the price of your average PC down to a all time low. When the P II came out, the average computer was about $2500. Now, you can pick up a fully loaded computer with a 80 g HDD and usually a DVD Burner for about $500. Where is there proof that these companies AREN'T bringing down the price. They are not the only reason, but they are a contribution factor. Dell is the # 1 seller of computers in the North American market, and that is nothing to sneeze at.


I don't know where you were buying your computers at, but after building and repairing them for almost 20 years I can tell you one thing for sure. $2500 would have bought you a VERY high end computer. During the PII's $1300 was about the going price for an average computer.

As far as downloading O/S, well, guess what? Microsoft solved that problem for the upcoming operating system but scrapped it. The idea to fight piracy was to supply a CD that would hold a installer key and allow you to download the operating system from their servers...after all, two years later it worked for HL 2 when Valve made you download the game after purchase. It isn't hard ot expect that this is the way that it will eventually go. There is too many ways to pirate a hard copy of software.


MS's idea went down the tubes for various reasons. One being that not everyone has the necessary high speed connection to do that kind of a D/L. And most of the retail market did not want to spend the kind of time required to do the install either.
XP will likely go the way of Millenium because of their copy protection BS. Make 2 major changes to your system (change M/B and CPU for example or add 256M of memory and a second HDD) and MS requires that you reload your op system (XP). And to top it off, you have to "call" MS for a key to activate the op system.